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How does the cap stay on? will it be threaded or is it a clip cap?

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It's a slip cap.

I'll also be doing threaded versions in the 2nd production run and continuing on after that with both styles.

I'm working out the mechanics/engineering of a new cap/barrel design with a closing/opening system thats again, never been seen before.

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I was talking to someone the other day and they asked me why I'm not making my pens in a more traditional method/design/style. My answer, because everyone else is doing essentially the same thing with a slightly different aesthetic. I want to bring unique creations to the pen community and try to 'solve' a few common gripes about pen design and function with my ideas and designs.

For instance, like Viv was talking about over on PT yeaterday.

Eye Dropper fillers have a nasty problem of blobs and drips. The heat from your hand expands the ink and drips ensue. With the way mine are made, an inner ink vial sleeved with another to form an air pocket around it, then both of those 'suspended in mid air' by strategically placed O rings eliminates the possibility of heat transfer and blobbing.








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This is going to sound balls out crazy, but I want to explain how Savage pens was born and share a bit more about myself so others understand just what this endeavor means to me.

OK so most everyone knows when I was off my RCBPD meds I was full on bat shit crazy. When things would overwhelm me, I would retreat into the 'safety' of my mind. They say 'find your happy place', well I did & when I found it, it was an empty warehouse type space. I wanted/needed to fill it up with things that made me feel good. So I did.

I built this company/workshop slowly over the years adding this and that, removing what didnt work in my mind. I designed everything from the ground up, tools, machinery, raw materials...everything. (In a weird way it reminds me of the Battlestar Galactica Cylon 'projection')

The fantasy shop helped me through some incredibly tough times. When I got on my new meds & found them to work better than anything I had ever dare to dream, I was stunned. I had my mind and life back. I stopped 'going to the shop' as often as I used to, eventually I stopped all together. Over the passing months I found I truly missed 'being there' in the shop working out designs of anything and everything that struck my fancy. But rather than take what I saw as a step back, and retreat away from everyone again, I decided to bring the shop 'out'.

Bringing my fantasy creations into the physical world has what I can only describe as a cleansing feeling. The closer I get to sharing this place and these things with everyone the better I feel. Sort of like being covered in muck & oil, standing under a warm waterfall, feeling all of the crap dissolve under the water pressure & watching it all flow away. I believe that when I'm finally able to fully manifest the shop in reality, I'll be able to finally fully let go of the things that have consumed me for so long and move on from those ugly places.
I'll not only continue healing those old wounds, but I'll finally be living and thriving as a man, husband, father, artist and businessman. I'm becoming the person I have always been and wanted to be. I wont have need for those dark places anymore, I'll be living everyday of my life 'in my happy place' with my family and friends right there with me.

I know this company isn't a magic cure all bullet for me, but it sure as heck is helping.



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Well now..isn't this interesting.......

http://www.composite-resources.com/stock-composites/black-project/carbon-fiber-tubes/index.php

...and might I ad, the Samples Tammy sent me are very nice indeed. Thought provoking if nothing else.

-- Edited by DWL on Friday 15th of January 2010 04:26:43 PM

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DWL wrote:

.... The heat from your hand expands the ink and drips ensue. With the way mine are made, an inner ink vial sleeved with another to form an air pocket around it, then both of those 'suspended in mid air' by strategically placed O rings eliminates the possibility of heat transfer and blobbing.

I did some thermodynamic calculations and the heat from a person's hand is hard pressed to explain blobbing ink.




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I wonder what the cause for blobbing could be then?

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Got off the phone a little while ago. Monday afternoon meeting set with Joe, Artie at the shop. Leather goodies from Joe and a couple of prototypes and a production model from Artie. It's going to be an awesome day I can feel it already.

Celluloid and HR rod stock, 8' x 1.5" Tellurium Copper rod, Carbon Fiber tubes & rods and a few other interesting odds & ends orders are being placed & paid for this weekend/Monday morning. The orders should arrive in within a week-10 days or so. Full production begins as soon as they arrive.


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DWL wrote:

I wonder what the cause for blobbing could be then?




Actually, body heat expands the AIR in the reservoir, which pushes the ink into the feed at a greater-than-desired rate.



-- Edited by Chthulhu on Friday 15th of January 2010 10:44:09 PM

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Chthulhu wrote:

DWL wrote:

I wonder what the cause for blobbing could be then?




Actually, body heat expands the AIR in the reservoir, which pushes the ink into the feed at a greater-than-desired rate.



-- Edited by Chthulhu on Friday 15th of January 2010 10:44:09 PM




And as I said I did some calculations to see if a person's hand could in fact cause a large enough change in the volume of gas or ink in a pen to cause this to occur.

The math didn't add up.

So if anyone else there wants to prove this I would love to see the numbers.

Did I mention my advanced degree in thermodynamics and my specialization in binary vapor liquid systemsbiggrin



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/gets popcorn and waits

(looks like this could be an informative discussion forming here ;))

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Okay, I'll admit that I was accepting what I had been told at face value as it made some sense, but I won't argue with your math.

I'm open to another explanation if you have one; I expect it will be a mchanical one. smile.gif

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Highbinder wrote:

/gets popcorn and waits

(looks like this could be an informative discussion forming here ;))




I think it is more about the design of the feed's fins than the expansion of the air forcing ink out of the body. You could get a vacuum formed inside the cap when it is taken off that would pull additional ink into the fins and then it would drip off.

The temperature driving force for a standard 98.6 to 70 F is about 19 degrees F

Which has to be reduced by taking into account the heat transfer coefficient for the pen body material. So maybe you'd get 3 degrees of temperature difference and maybe a volume change of 0.02 cc of liquid into the feed. This is about 1/2 of a standard pharmaceutical drop of medicine.

I guess that if it was such a serious problem then there would not be eyedropper pens or dual tank pens or any pen that uses the pen body as storage.

And with all of the science folks that use fountain pens someone should have posted the proof that temperature changes are severe enough to force ink out.


that's all I'm saying.











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Had a brainstorm session & very interesting conversation with a close friend today. Something HUGE came out of it. Cant say much more about it yet until I do a bit of investigation & research. If it play out like I see it happening, friends it will be some of the best news for the US based pen community/manufacturers they have heard in 50 years.



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It's been a while since anyone used these in a modern production pen........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330396303969&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4033.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D330396303969%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

I think that needs to change.

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DWL wrote:

It's been a while since anyone used these in a modern production pen........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330396303969&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4033.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D330396303969%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

I think that needs to change.




I've used glass nibs in the past and would go right past a modern pen that has one.

Just my opinion but it would be just a gimmick rather than an improvement.



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DWL wrote:

It's been a while since anyone used these in a modern production pen........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330396303969&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4033.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D330396303969%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

I think that needs to change.




Having never used a glass nib, I'll reserve judgement, but I do have to wonder about the auction's claim that the nibs were both "made in Czechoslovakia between years 1900 -20" and "Brand: Parker" smile.gif



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"I've used glass nibs in the past and would go right past a modern pen that has one. Just my opinion but it would be just a gimmick rather than an improvement."

I've found there to be a pretty big fan base for these style nibs out there. I'm only doing a run of 50 to start to see how they are received. If they dont sell, then I'll have learned a lesson & still have had the fun of making them.

"Having never used a glass nib, I'll reserve judgement, but I do have to wonder about the auction's claim that the nibs were both "made in Czechoslovakia between years 1900 -20" and "Brand: Parker"


I've used them & honestly, dig the shit out of them. It's a very unique writing experience.

The manufacturing dates are dead on. Most of the glass nibs were made by Haro in Germany, but there were a couple of others making them as well. IIRC, Haro nibs have a blue glass ball on the back end for ID.

I think the Parker bit was just a left over bit from another auction. I know these weren't ever made by or for Parker.



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What happened to the Gold nib "resource"? wink.gif

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Thats still happening. I wasn't able to make the deadline for the order placement this time around so we'll be ordering them in mid Feb. when he places the next one.

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Wonder if the desk pen will have an obsidian base?

And an Apache tear carbochon would look nice on the cap of these pens as well.

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