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Ciao,

Yesterday I won this auction for a P51:

Link: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230396504737&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_499wt_1183

Now, as you can see, on the photographs the pen looks like totally black. But in the auction text the guy says:

"Baile pen e fatta di verde bosco Lucite" that - typing errors aside - means more or less "Nice pen, made by Wood Green Lucite"

(Bosco is really woods, like "a lot of trees", more than wood, "the stuff that burn" ;) )

Ok, now, what do you think, can the pen in the photo be dark green and the light on the photo be just lousy? Or the guy cannot tell one color from the other?? 
And I'll get a boring black P51?????

Thank you for your advice.

A.

 



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IMHO, in the top pic, near the taper on the barrel end, the reflection looks like it has a dark green hue to it. The pics sort of suck & a green pen would come off very dark in those. if he says green go with it until it lands there. Looks like a nice piece to be sure.

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I am not sure, but here you have some facts:

  • Argentine colours were not always identical to the ones on other origins (US, Canada, ...).
  • Ariel Kullock still sells "P51 like" pens. He is reputed to have a device that duplicates. He still sells P51 DJ Vacs, and outside plastic parts (specially useful if you have nib, collector, cap, ...) in weird colours (egg yellow) in eBay. I don't know if they have "Parker" imprints anywhere. As I am not sure I am being clear enough, here is the link to his eBay articles: http://shop.ebay.com/kullock/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 (no affiliation, just someone else that lives in Buenos Aires).

HTH.

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My translator [Babelfish] makes it into Forest Green.

The 51 Parkers PEN Aerometric, plated pointed hood gold. It stopper and recorded idiot 11 groups of 5 lines ciascuna for total to of 55 lines. He names recorded Parker and under the clip, and Industry on the Argentine opposite side and the emblema Parker. Made Baille PEN and of green Lucite forest. Closed Went fine aeurometric arranges and used for it filling beyond pen. Optimal conditions.

Is that Italian???
Looks like black to me, on my monitor, even when I kick up the brightness & contrast.

-- Edited by InkaFX on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:40:38 AM

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Mahutr wrote:

 

I am not sure, but here you have some facts:

  • Argentine colours were not always identical to the ones on other origins (US, Canada, ...).
  • Ariel Kullock still sells "P51 like" pens. He is reputed to have a device that duplicates. He still sells P51 DJ Vacs, and outside plastic parts (specially useful if you have nib, collector, cap, ...) in weird colours (egg yellow) in eBay. I don't know if they have "Parker" imprints anywhere. As I am not sure I am being clear enough, here is the link to his eBay articles: http://shop.ebay.com/kullock/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 (no affiliation, just someone else that lives in Buenos Aires).

HTH.

Martin

 


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I really hope isn't a Kullok... but you're right: I forgot to mention that it should an Argentine production pen.

 



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InkaFX wrote:

My translator [Babelfish] makes it into Forest Green.

The 51 Parkers PEN Aerometric, plated pointed hood gold. It stopper and recorded idiot 11 groups of 5 lines ciascuna for total to of 55 lines. He names recorded Parker and under the clip, and Industry on the Argentine opposite side and the emblema Parker. Made Baille PEN and of green Lucite forest. Closed Went fine aeurometric arranges and used for it filling beyond pen. Optimal conditions.

Is that Italian???
Looks like black to me, on my monitor, even when I kick up the brightness & contrast.

-- Edited by InkaFX on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:40:38 AM


Thank you Scott, that was a good laugh. Anyway even the original description is a very poor Italian. Lots of grammatical errors. I wonder why people selling items on ebay do not pay attention to the easiest  things.
btw: recorded idiot is great. It should have been "engraved with"

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kullock is using the old machines that Parker left behind when they closed down their Argentinean production facilities. o technically, they are the same things, made onthe same machines, with different manufacturers names on them. Good buy regardless, but looks legit to me.

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Dear Dennis,

I can't reject what you are saying, as I don't know him personally, and haven't had any e-mail intercourse with him regarding this issue.

You are right: If he uses the same machines, process, materials, etc. he will get the same product quality.

BTW: I don't know of any 51 Vac or 51 DJ Vac made in Argentina, so he might have had access to tooling from somewhere else. Or some of these tools were available here for a reason I am not aware of.

Rgds.

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Mahutr wrote:

Dear Dennis,

I can't reject what you are saying, as I don't know him personally, and haven't had any e-mail intercourse with him regarding this issue.

You are right: If he uses the same machines, process, materials, etc. he will get the same product quality.

BTW: I don't know of any 51 Vac or 51 DJ Vac made in Argentina, so he might have had access to tooling from somewhere else. Or some of these tools were available here for a reason I am not aware of.

Rgds.

Martin



Parker Pen had manufacturing facilities in Argentina.



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Yes, I know. I live here. There have been local manufactured 61 Aeros,51 Aeros, 45s, maybe some Vectors, might be some 180s, and probably some others I am not aware of. But Ariel is offering models I am almost certain they haven't been manufatured locally (I may be wrong too, of course), and he is supposedly being using the same tooling Parker had here.

BTW: There were also local brands (303, Perfecta, ...) and Sheaffer facilities too, but if my memory serves me well, none of them have been as large as Parker here.

Rgds.

Martin

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that's awesome man! I'll bet pen hunting is pretty rich down there!

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Buaaaahh.... the darn thing is BLACK!!!! (and has a ding on cap too...!)

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I contacted the seller for a refund/return. We will see...

Interesting fact: There is a spanish translation of the filling instruction on the filler and the cap read: Industria Argentina under the halo logo. The barrel is the early Aero barrel with an hole at the back. Dunno why but I did expect a later barrel with the half way hole...

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Buaaaahh.... the darn thing is BLACK!!!! (and has a ding on cap too...!)

toilet.gif

I contacted the seller for a refund/return. We will see...

Interesting fact: There is a spanish translation of the filling instruction on the filler and the cap read: Industria Argentina under the halo logo. The barrel is the early Aero barrel with an hole at the back. Dunno why but I did expect a later barrel with the half way hole...

A.

 


Bummer.

 



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Man that really blows! It was a bad pic & only had the sellers description to go on. It looked to me like it had a green hue to it. If it makes you feel any better I'd have gotten stung the same way.

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Sorry to hear that Andre!

Report it to ebay if he does not get back to you-
misrepresentation is a good claim here.
(the pen was stated to be dark green?)

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Ah ah ah... I just got answer from the seller and I need to share it because it is laughlable.

He told me that with Forest Green Lucite he meant the captop jewel...


...very funny, I'll take this guy to the curt.

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p.s. can we have a "jail" emoticon? devilish.gif




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wow what a stellar seller.

The jewels are pearly silvery grey. I have NEVER seen or heard of a green jewel. The only 'non pearl' jewels are aluminum and a beautiful honey amber color.

Take this clown to the mattresses. I hate to see people getting hit like this.



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So, what color IS the jewel?

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Chthulhu wrote:

So, what color IS the jewel?



Eh, the plain grey pearl, of course. I'm guessing the guy is colorblind...



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