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Is it true? About using overly saturated inks that clog pens? Which inks have the reputation?

Ever since I've heard about it I've been worrying about this Zhivago I'm using.

Perhaps I could dilute my ink slightly with water to bring it away from the saturation point. Might also brighten the ink a little more to show the green shading which wouldn't be a bad thing.

Thoughts?

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Never had a problem (other than I wish they did not fill the bottles as full). Bay State Blue is one that a few people complained about, but hell, folk complain about everything, even about getting to much for their money).

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I agree! BSB is the only ink you ever hear problems about!
People seem to like Noodler's Inks in general.


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Some people hate Noodler's without any valid reason I can see. I've only used Noodler's Black so far, and its behavior varies considerably between pens, but then I have the same results (with different pens) with every other ink I've tried.

Keep in mind that "saturated" has two different meanings when referring to inks:

Chemical saturation refers to the amount of dye in the ink.
Color saturation refers to the intensity of the color on paper.

I mixed some Noodler's Black 1:1 with tap water and the only difference I could see was that it shaded just a bit with a broad nib. It probably lost some of its "bulletproof" qualities, though.


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I assume you need distilled water? Where the hell can I buy that?? I think I'll try watering down the Zhivago. It'll pacify my paranoia and hopefully make a nice colour to boot!

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I use Zhivago regularly.

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I used Brita-filtered tap water for the experiment, but you can usually buy distilled water at supermarkets; kinda have to dig for it among all the other bottled waters. You can also just use filtered, boiled water; that will ensure a lack of suspended solids and live nasties.

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jar, so do I, but really if I'm honest with myself I find it hard to see the green element in an F nib. Plus, diluting it will make the bottle last longer won't it biggrin

Chthulhu, cheers

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Highbinder wrote:
diluting it will make the bottle last longer won't it biggrin

I LOVE noodlers inks. I find that slightly diluting the bottle not only does it go a lot farther, but IMHO looks better in general. Just boil some water, let it colpmetly cool to room temp & start mixing. have fun & enjoy the colors you make.



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The majority of my inks are all made by Noodler's.
I use them in every pen I have, from El-cheapo Preppy eye-droppers up to and including an "Old-Style" Pelikan M800 and a rare Rotring 1928 LE in celluloid.
I've not once run into any problems, never once had a clog due to the use of Noodler's inks.
You've mentioned using Zhivago, but what pen/s are you concerned with?

If you decide to use filtered water, although it's not at all necessary, the best in the business is Aquafina.
I worked a short stint for Rain-Soft, we tested all types of bottled water and Aquafina was the ONLY one that returned "pure-water" results.
The closest thing to Aquafina was the water that comes from reverse-osmosis machines that vend out 1 gallon and 5 gallon jugs.
Distilled water is another good choice, it's relatively inexpensive and easier to find in more locations.
You could use tap water too but depending on where you live and where it comes from it's more of a gamble.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND TAP WATER!
Where I live we're on Artesian Well water, good water but needs fair amounts of chlorine in it to kill off any potential micro-organisms.
City water is even worse, filed with tons of chlorine and stuff like fluoride and who knows what else, not good at all for pen feeds and materials except for flushing, wouldn't want to use it in any inks without proper filtering first.

I say if you like a particular Noodler's ink then go for it, as Frank says it's only been inks like Bay State Blue I've ever heard issue with but I've not personally used BSB as yet.
I'm comfortable using Noodler's inks in any one of my pens, even those that are irreplaceable, so I don't understand why some people are afraid to use them in cheap pens or converters.
Just stay away from the ones that are specified NOT to be used in fountain pens [Links to Swisher Pens descriptions] such as Black Mamba [made for felt-tip markers] or Kung Te-Cheng [comes with its' own eye-dropper fountain & felt-tipped pens] or their highlighter inks and you should be OK!

EDIT: To fix broken Links, I hope.

-- Edited by InkaFX on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:02:44 AM

-- Edited by InkaFX on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:04:33 AM

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I don't recognize the name Aquafina. I shall snoop around the bottled water section next time I'm out shopping.

Won't be any time soon, I'm maybe only 3/4 of the way through the bottle, and have no empty ones to use if I diluted 2:1 like I'm planning to.

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man just boil a pot of water for 10 minutes or so, let it cool and refill the bottle. it'll come out great.

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I'm lazy so thats probably what will happen. Got to work through some more of the ink, first, tho!! It's going down quicker since I started this new job :)

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I've only tried three Noodler's inks: Polar Brown, Bad Blue Heron, and good old Black. I know that's not a very big sample to categorically like or dislike a brand, but I haven't really had my socks knocked off. Polar Brown smelled awful and left a film in my converter. I haven't spent much time with BBH, but I like the color. I really like Black, but I don't care much for black inks. It's a keeper, though, and will let me use FPs with my checkbooks and envelopes. That said, I've gotten some snail mail in really fantastic Noodler's colors!

I think I'm just an old man when it comes to ink colors. I tend to stick with Skrip, Waterman, and Pelikan inks (it helps that I can source all of these locally).

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bphollin wrote:

I've only tried three Noodler's inks: Polar Brown, Bad Blue Heron, and good old Black. I know that's not a very big sample to categorically like or dislike a brand, but I haven't really had my socks knocked off. Polar Brown smelled awful and left a film in my converter. I haven't spent much time with BBH, but I like the color. I really like Black, but I don't care much for black inks. It's a keeper, though, and will let me use FPs with my checkbooks and envelopes. That said, I've gotten some snail mail in really fantastic Noodler's colors!

I think I'm just an old man when it comes to ink colors. I tend to stick with Skrip, Waterman, and Pelikan inks (it helps that I can source all of these locally).



If your not wowed by noodlers, take a look at diamine. that stuff with pop anyone's eyebrows up. I LOVE the imperiasl purple, Monaco red, and claret.



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Of the 6 pens I have inked right now, 3 have Noodlers in them. I have Nikita, #41 Brown and Navajo Turquoise loaded right now. My favorite ink is BSB, for which I have one pen that only ever receives that. I have found the combination of this particular pen and BSB to be peerless. Is is as if the pen maker knew exactly what I wanted. I like the color of BSG but it bleeds through most cheaper papers. When my Mont Blanc green and Waterman green have run out I shall look for a Noodlers to substitute. I was thinking of Diamine Kelly Green, but Diamine is difficult to get out my way, and I do not want to have a bottle flown in, just in case I do not like it. My Noodlers collection also include Shahs Rose, which is good for writing love poetry, Apache Sunset, which wows everyone who sees it and is best used in a broader nib to get the shading effects.

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I have somewhere read about a distributor (I am not certain, but probably "the pen-guin") voiding the warranty of his pens if used with any ink of a non-pen manufacturer. Though not specifically mentioning Noodlers, but also referring to Private Reserve and others, his (her?) point was that when you make just inks, and do not need to stand pen warranties (clogged feeds, non-neutral pH damage on parts, ....) you might be tempted to run on the edge of the safe side.

I have never tested any of them (Noodlers, Private Reserve, ...) as they are not available where I live. Their websites show an amazing array of colours, some of them quite weird.

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That is all right by me, because I am sure none of my pens have a warranty anymore.

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smileI had some SITB issues with Noodlers and sort of drifted over to Diamine as there were also some color variations in Noodlers that I didn't apprecate- if I like a color I like that color not something similar


I think that Nathan sold out when you look at what Noodler's was suppose to be when it first came out.

But that's just my opinion

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titivillus wrote:

smileI had some SITB issues with Noodlers and sort of drifted over to Diamine as there were also some color variations in Noodlers that I didn't apprecate- if I like a color I like that color not something similar


I think that Nathan sold out when you look at what Noodler's was suppose to be when it first came out.

But that's just my opinion



Interesting point. I bought some Navajo Turquoise to replace the Monteverde Turquoise I normally use, on the basis of a review on the the other place, and the color was differnt to what I had expected. The reviewer told me it was my eyesight that was the problem, not variances in the color of the ink. But I believe you, that there are small variances.



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