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"In terms of writability it goes stub > cursive itallic > itallic, thats correct isn't it?"

Pretty much, but there are oblique nib choices as well.

"What I'd like from the nib is the cross stroke to be the equivalent to an F line, and the down stroke to be wider, more akin to an asian/european M nib, with as much line variation possible - but still retaining enough ease of writing to use the pen as a daily writer!

Is what I'm describing a stub or a cursive itallic (I'm still not 100% on the difference between a cursive and normal itallic)"

A stub and a cursive italic are all but the exact same thing. A 'standard' italic' has a sharper nib on it and 'corners' on the sides of the nib, that can dig and bite into the page if not used properly. In my opinion, straight/standard italics take too much focus to use for general everyday writing.

A stub or cursive italic have the corners smoothed/rounded some to make writing a bit easier & still maintain the line variation.

"Using my own words I'd be calling it a 'Fine Stub', but is there a proper term? For writing samples I've seen a 0,6mm stub seems right."

Yup, that sounds about right.


"Now my next question has to do with the way I write,

Basicly I don't hold it straight. Imagine if the paper is sitting in front of you straight and you're looking straight down on it, I don't hold the pen perfectly perpendicular, rather at a 45 degree angle whilst I'm writing. With a stub/itallic nib the line variation 'on paper' would be altered, correct? Would an oblique nib be useful for me or are they for a different purpose?"

from what you describe a left foot oblique sounds about right for you and your writing style.

"My final question now (I hear a sigh of relief), for the 'nibmeister' what is the prefered nib to work into what I want? Will a M suffice or if I gave them a B tipped nib would it make their job (and the end result) better?"

If your going to a fine, a medium is more than enough tipping material for an experienced nibmeister to work with.

And seriously, your handwriting is really not that bad at all. Mine looks like a 9 year old on a crack binge wrote it...lol

Which nib/pen are you thinking of getting modified?

Good to see you here bud. Your package is going off first thing Monday morning. I hope you enjoy them.

Dennis

"Thanks :)"

Not even a problem my man, thats why we're here....to help each other out.

"For the oblique, basicly because of the angle I hold the pen at in relation to the paper if I used a normal stub the line variation would be on the diagonal, so using an oblique it'd bring it back round to 'normal', that correct?"

Pretty much thats how I see it.

"So wait, a stub and cursive itallic are the same thing? Or very similar?"

Very similar, in my opinion, so close they are the same thing.

"I was thinking of getting the Pilot Custom 823 modified, unless when I get it I love the nib, in which case it'd be my Van Gogh as I'm not too happy with the size of line it puts down / the flow (a bit too heavy for my liking)."

The Japanese pens run on the finer side than do western/european nibs. So from what we've talked about, here and other places, i think your really going to dig the 823's nib. If the van gogh is too wide & wet for you, thats the one I'd get modified. Why force yourself to use a pen your not 100% in love with?

"And I cannot wait till the package arrives!"

Well your just gonna have to. I left my teleporter in my other pants...lol

Right I've confused myself.

Because I hold my pens at an angle, so in relation to a page square infront it faces off like \, opposed to | holding straight on, so if I were to use a standard stub the broad and thin sections would also be on the diagonal, whilst the vertical and horizontal wouldn't show the variation.

So to get it back to a broad downstroke and thin cross stroke, it would be what type of oblique? A right foot oblique I believe?

I say this because if I look at the nib on this image and angle it to match the position my nib sits at compared to the paper I write it has the 'cut' of the nib tip horizontal, and so, to my thinking, would produce the broad downstroke in my hand



Am I right?

As to the Van Gogh, I like it, it's very smooth, it's just the wetness means on some paper it writes wide. I was writing on post-it notes earlier which seems to be a less absorbant paper and it was absolutely perfect, so maybe I'd just have the flow adjusted!


-- Edited by Highbinder on Saturday 7th of November 2009 02:28:39 PM

-- Edited by Highbinder on Saturday 7th of November 2009 02:31:03 PM

I have had one nib ground and it was an unpleasant writing experience. My other concern besides just writing is you are removing material from the tip and how long will the pen keep writing.

It might write well but you are slowly going to be changing the surface of the nib.  Over time ( yes this can be years or decades) it is going to change to something else.